
Behind the Scenes Interview
PART 1. PRODUCTION
Ten
weeks of principal photography on my film How
to Lose Friends & Alienate People wrapped on August
16, 2007. Eight weeks of production took place in London,
the final two in New York. I then returned to London on
September 1 to start editing the picture.
My
friend Norman Sweetzer (who last interviewed
me for my website during the first season of Curb
Your Enthusiasm) happened to be in London that week,
so we decided to sit down once again so he could quiz
me about directing my first feature. I provide here
an edited transcript of that interview, exclusive to
this website.
As
we get closer to the release of the film in the Fall
of 2008, I hope to provide a follow-up interview to
this one.
Cheers,
Bob Weide
Dover Street, Mayfair District
London
30 September, 2007

NORMAN SWEETZER: Congratulations on wrapping principal
photography on your film.
ROBERT
WEIDE: Thanks. I never feel too celebratory about
anything I'm working on while still in progress. It's
great to have wrapped principal, but the job isn't even
half finished. Now comes editing, supervising the scoring,
the audio work, effects, timing, and all that. Then
it's sweating out the ad campaign and hoping that the
ad people show some taste… so the fretting has only
just begun.
NS:
Then you still have to worry whether people will go
see the film.
RW:
Historically, that's the thing that concerns me least.
Of course, I'd like the film to do well, but that's
a crapshoot over which you have little control. Once
I deliver a film, if I feel I've done my best work,
then if people show up, great. But at that point, it's
like what you hear whispered in hospital corridors…
''It's in God's hands.''
NS:
You've been a filmmaker since 1982, but this is your
first feature as a director. Was it worth the wait?
RW:
Absolutely. Despite whatever acknowledgement I've received
for my documentary work and even with ''Curb,'' I've
always felt like I've been sitting at the children's
table. I mean, virtually anyone who grows up saying
they want to ''make films'' -- they're really talking
about directing movies… narrative features. So yeah,
through all the difficulties of this shoot, I'd have
those moments when the reality caught up with me that
I was finally doing it. It was really thrilling. And
I'm not a kid anymore, so it was especially gratifying
to be doing something that felt so new at this point
in my life. It's like, I didn't even make it to Europe
until I was 40, but I loved that there was still a new
experience I could have for the first time. The process
of directing a feature is a pain the in ass in countless
ways, but for me it was also literally a dream come
true. And I had a dream cast and a script that I loved,
so…
NS:
How did that script find its way to you?
RW:
I'd been looking for the right film to direct for some
time. I had read countless scripts, taken several meetings,
but rarely did anything jump out at me. I was hoping
that when I found the right material I would just know
it. One day, probably in February of '06, my agent (David
Lonner) called me and said he had a script for a British
film called ''How To Lose Friends & Alienate People''
that he thought I might like. He said it reminded him
of a modern version of an Ealing Studio comedy -- which
got my interest right away, so I told him to send it.
From the first page, I recognized it was good writing.
By page five I was getting pretty excited. Halfway through,
I knew I had found the script I was looking for. I had
to keep myself from excitedly calling Lonner until I
finished the script.
NS:
Were you already familiar with Toby Young's book?
RW:
No. I think my agent's cover letter mentioned the source
material, but I wasn't familiar with it. Maybe a week
later, I read Toby's memoirs. And although I enjoyed
the book, it only made me appreciate Peter Straughan's
screenplay even more, because the book is not a movie.
I'm glad it wasn't up to me to adapt it, because I wouldn't
have known how to do it. Peter was brilliant at keeping
the irreverent tone of the book, distilling the Toby
character (who is renamed ''Sidney Young'' in the script),
and retaining so many of those great, memorable anecdotes
–- but he totally rethought the storyline and made up
new characters and subplots out of thin air. Plus, it
was multi-layered and emotional and funny as hell. I
just thought it really had everything.
NS:
So what happened after you did call your agent?
RW:
A few weeks later, the film's producer, Stephen Woolley
came to L.A. and met with me and a few other directors
who had responded favorably. Fortunately, Stephen and
Toby, and Peter, for that matter, were fans of ''Curb
Your Enthusiasm'' and thought I was a good match for
the script. After the meeting, I just held tight, and
a few weeks later, Stephen invited me to London to meet
with Peter, Toby, and some of the money people at Film
Four, the U.K. Film Council, etc. As I think of it,
I don't know that there was a specific point where anyone
officially said, ''You've got the job,'' but we continued
talking about it, I spent some time working with Peter
on polishes, and then a negotiating process started
for my services. Now that I've shot the thing, I guess
it's official that I got the gig.
NS:
Did you know Simon Pegg's work? Was he already attached?
RW:
No, Simon wasn't on board yet, although his name was
bandied about. And I'll admit that I wasn't familiar
with his work at this stage. I knew that ''Shaun of
the Dead'' was well respected, but I hadn't seen it.
One thing about casting the lead that I knew for sure
was that rather than just cast an actor who could be
funny, I wanted a ''comic'' actor –- someone who was
intrinsically funny -– you know, in his bones.
I
had recently gotten to know Steve Coogan and initially
thought Steve would be great in the lead, but those
already on board asked me to look at Simon's work. I
started with ''Shaun,'' and I must say, I knew within
minutes, despite my admiration for Coogan, that Simon
was born to play Sidney. ''Hot Fuzz'' wasn't out yet,
but I saw all the episodes of ''Spaced'' and ''Big Train''
and even managed to obtain DVD''s of ''Asylum'' and
''Hippies'' which were series that even predated ''Big
Train.'' In fact, ''Asylum'' is where Simon and (director)
Edgar Wright first worked together. So yeah, I really
did my homework. In the process, I just fell in love
with Simon as a performer. So by the time I met him
on a return trip to London in June of '06, I had sort
of become a Simon Pegg geek. Which was great, because
he was a real ''Curb'' geek, so it was a mutual geek-admiration
society. I also had a sense that Simon and I could really
become mates and have a great time working and hanging
together, which proved to be the case.
Simon also took care of another problem. The Sidney
character is, at times, very obnoxious and irritating.
I mean, look at the title of the film! Yet, you still
need to like him and root for him to succeed and get
the girl. So, people kept asking how I planned to make
this jerk of a character sympathetic and likeable. I
had a two-word answer ready for them: Simon Pegg.
Simon
took a big burden off my shoulders. Making any kind
of film is hard enough, but the obvious pressure of
making a comedy is that, along with everything else,
it has to be funny. With Simon in practically every
scene, I simply never had to worry about whether my
lead actor would pull off the comedy. That's what I
was saying about having an actor who's funny in his
bones. It's like working with a singer who has perfect
pitch… you can relax, knowing they're going to hit the
high notes. It was still very collaborative -– we were
always discussing what those ''notes'' would be, but
we were entirely in sync, as if we had worked together
for years.
NS:
Was the film financed and ready to go by the time Pegg
signed on?
RW:
No, far from it. The seed money was there, but Woolley
was still running around trying to piece together the
remaining funds, which was most of the budget. Once
I was on, I attended a few of those meetings myself.
It was a battle all the way and one that wasn't completely
settled until we had already commenced production in
June of '07. The details are painful and boring, but
the money came through, thanks, in part, to the amazing
cast that we assembled – and Woolley's doggedness.
NS:
Let's talk about that cast. How did you land Kirsten
Dunst?
RW:
A lot of wonderful actresses were discussed for the
role of Alison. In fact, most of the actual auditioning
process was focused on the roles of Alison and ''Sophie
Maes,'' which wound up being played by Megan Fox. (More
on her later.) It was a great time for me because
aside from the audition process, there were lots of
meetings with some incredible -– and beautiful -– actresses…
some, fairly new on the scene, and others whom I've
long admired.
NS:
Any names you can reveal?
RW:
No… bad protocol. But suffice it to say, there were
a few weeks there where I was living someone else's
life -- sipping martinis or lattes at the Chateau Marmont
with these amazing women. I genuinely liked them all
and I'd give my eyeteeth to work with practically any
of them.
NS:
Okay, so back to Kirsten.
RW:
Right. Sorry. So, there was a lot of pressure from
the money people to land a big ''marquee'' name for
Alison -– Sidney's love interest. This ruled out many
of the women I had met, because in the eyes of the financiers,
they just weren't big enough names to bank on. Somewhere
in there, Kirsten's name came up, which seemed like
a good idea, but I just wasn't sure if she'd do a film
with a small-ish budget.
Now,
I had worked with Kirsten when she was just thirteen.
I hadn't directed her, but I wrote and produced ''Mother
Night,'' in '95 (released in '96) and we really
bonded on set in a big brother/little sister kind of
way. I also stayed in touch with her and her mom socially
for a couple of years after that. Stephen, of course,
produced ''Interview with a Vampire,'' which put Kirsten
on the map a year earlier, so she had a history with
both of us.
At
the time we approached her, she was still recovering,
you might say, from ''Spiderman III.'' So she was open
to a smaller movie and was looking for a comedy. We're
both at the same agency (William Morris) so her agent
was very helpful in getting the script to her. I included
a personal cover letter so she called me before even
reading the script and we gabbed for a half-hour. Before
we got off the phone, she just stopped short of saying
she wanted to do it before even reading it. She then
called me a couple of times mid-script to tell me how
much she loved it. When she finally finished it, she
called me and left the sweetest message telling me how
much she loved it and how honored she was to be considered.
She said she laughed all through it and cried at the
end. It was everything you'd want to hear from your
lead actress. I still have that message. One for the
archives.
NS:
Her involvement must have made your backers happy.
RW:
Yeah. It actually helped them relax about some of my
other casting choices, which I had been rather adamant
about.
NS:
Like who?
RW:
Two actors I had in mind from the time I first read
the script were Jeff Bridges (for Clayton Harding)
and Danny Huston (for Lawrence Maddox). Jeff
I've known for about twelve years and we had talked
about working together if we found the right project.
Although the Harding character is based on (''Vanity
Fair'' editor) Graydon Carter, I didn't want the actor
to play Graydon, so I was never concerned about his
look or voice or mannerisms. What I did want was a sense
of someone who had been part of the counterculture in
his youth and had now put on a suit and become someone
he would have satirized in his earlier days as editor
of a humor magazine. I felt Jeff could play the authority
and intimidation factor of the boss, but at the same
time would have that glint in his eye that would indicate
the rebel is still alive beneath the suit. So this felt
like the perfect project for Jeff and I to finally work
on together.
NS:
But your backers resisted? How could that be?
RW:
It makes no sense and was entirely frustrating to me.
First you have to realize, there was no specific ''backer''
early on. There were several potential investors sniffing
around. And the mentality of those guys is that they
want you to load up your film with the biggest names
possible, regardless of whether they're right for the
roles. Some of the casting suggestions I heard made
me wonder if they had actually read the script.
NS:
But they didn't consider Jeff Bridges a big enough name?
RW:
Nobody denied he was a great actor and right for the
part. But these guys try to approach movie making, or
at least casting, as a math problem. ''Well, this guy's
films make so much in these territories, but this guy's
pictures don't open well in Japan.'' I mean, it's absurd.
If these formulas actually worked, I'd respect the process,
but time and time again they prove meaningless. Movies
loaded with movie stars fail all the time, and little
movies with good actors who aren't huge names succeed
just as often. My feeling is: get a great script, and
cast it with the right actors, find a director who's
right for the material, and promote it.
NS:
And after that, it's in God's hands.
RW:
Ha! Right.
NS:
But you did get Jeff.
RW:
Yeah, once we dropped the people who were trying to
manipulate our cast without so much as guaranteeing
a check, our foreign sellers pretty much guaranteed
our financing based on Simon and Kirsten, and relaxed
more about casting. So I went to Jeff and he came aboard,
and everyone was very happy. Ironically, after all those
hassles, Jeff signing on generated more press for our
film than even Kirsten. So then everyone was taking
credit that Jeff was their idea. But what else is new?
NS:
You mentioned Danny Huston…
RW:
Right. Danny was the other one I wanted from the
beginning. Again, there was pressure to go with more
of a household name, but to me, Danny was always the
prototype for this role and I stuck by him. He had actually
passed early on because of a scheduling conflict and
I was heartbroken. I just couldn't accept the fact that
he wouldn't do it. So just before I was forced to go
out to other actors, I contacted him one last time to
make sure we were dead in the water, and it wound up
that the financing for his other picture had just fallen
through. So suddenly he was available. That was a very
triumphant moment for me. In fact, the first day that
Jeff worked, I had a scene that utilized a two-shot
of Jeff and Danny, and I sat there staring at the monitor
with a big grin on my face thinking, ''I got 'em both.
I GOT 'EM BOTH!''
NS:
What about Megan Fox? Had you seen an early screening
of ''Transformers'' when you cast her?
RW:
No, I knew nothing about it. I barely look at actors'
résumés when I cast. If they deliver in the room, I
don't care what else they've done. Likewise, if they
don't come through in the audition, it doesn't matter
what their credits are. And Megan totally floored me
with her audition. It was one of those instances where
an actor leaves the room and I turn to my casting directors
and say, ''She's it.''
In
fact, I thought I'd get the credit for discovering this
unknown actress to play our ingénue, and give her her
big break in the movies. Then that blasted robot movie
came out and she became a huge star overnight. I must
say though, I was the only one disappointed by that.
Our investors were quite happy that we got one more
''movie star'' without really meaning to.
What
our film will do is let people in on the fact
that Megan is a fantastic actress, which you can't really
tell from the robot movie. I think I was the only one
on the set who was prepared for it, because I auditioned
her. The night she shot her first big scene, everyone
was walking up to me whispering, ''She's fantastic!''
And I'd just grin and say, ''Yeah, I know. I hired her.''
I mean, she is impossibly beautiful, like she was engineered
by scientists in a laboratory somewhere. But if that
had been her only qualification, she would not have
landed this role. I'm really proud of her performance.
NS:
What about Gillian Anderson? Were you an ''X-Files''
fan?
RW:
I know this sounds terribly snobbish, but I hardly watch
TV. In fact, for the five months I was prepping and
shooting, I only turned on the TV once, to watch Simon
on ''Conan O'Brien'' when we were in New York. Even
shows that I know I'd like, I just don't have the time
or discipline to watch regularly, with the occasional
exception. Anyway, so no... as respected as ''X-Files''
was, I never saw it. But I had seen other film work
of Gillian's.
This
was funny: The night before we first met, I went on
the internet and read that Gillian never watches TV
and doesn't know any of the popular shows, and I was
so relieved because I figured I could admit that I never
saw ''X-Files'' and she would respond that she never
saw ''Curb,'' and we could have a good laugh and it
would be a great icebreaker. So when we met, the first
thing she said was, ''You know, I never watch TV, and
I know nothing about any of the shows on the air, but
a month ago, someone gave me all the DVDs of ''Curb
Your Enthusiasm'' and I watched them all, marathon-style,
and I loved it.'' So, I was speechless for a moment.
Then I told her what a rabid fan I was of ''X-Files.''
NS:
Did you really?
RW:
No, I copped to it right away. It couldn't have phased
her less. What's interesting about Gillian is that she
did not embody what I originally had in mind for the
role of Eleanor Johnson, the publicist. When her name
came up, I knew she'd be great, but it forced me to
rethink the role. I'm glad I did, because she's sensational
in the part.
NS:
What didn't match your original vision?
RW:
Mainly physicality. I had pictured the character older…
maybe in her mid/late 50's. My concern about someone
as young and sexy as Gillian was that audiences might
view her as a possible romantic interest for Simon,
which would have been a distracting red herring. So
Gillian and I talked about countering that by just making
Eleanor an ice queen and burying her sexiness under
layers of self-absorption and obsession with power.
Gillian and I actually wrote several e-mails to each
other discussing whether the Eleanor character was frigid
or screamed like a banshee during sex.
NS:
What did you finally decide?
RW:
Let's classify that as a trade secret and move on.
NS:
Wasn't there an episode of ''Spaced'' that implied (Simon's
character) Tim had a masturbatory fantasy about
Gillian Anderson?
RW:
Yes! I even mentioned that when Simon and Gillian and
I first sat down together. Simon blushed twelve shades
of crimson. I thought it was in good fun because the
three of us were being so silly together. But Simon
later told me he felt I had violated the ''guy'' trust,
so I apologized profusely. I guess I'm not helping matters
by repeating it here. But I knew Gillian would only
be flattered. She's hardly a shrinking violet. And she's
a very silly person.
NS:
Who else rounds out the cast?
RW:
All the supporting players are first rate. Max Minghella
plays a young, pretentious director named Vincent LePak…
NS:
Is he in Toby's book?
RW:
No, most of these characters are made up by Peter Straughan.
We have the very respected British thespians Bill Paterson as Simon's
father and Miriam Margolyes as his Polish landlady. Diana Kent has
a small but memorable role… Who else? Margo Stilley from ''9 Songs''
is great, even fully clothed. No, actor-wise, I am an exceptionally
lucky first-time feature director.
The
other thing I'm grateful for is that everyone got along.
Everyone seemed to take their behavior cues from everyone
else, and there were no prima donnas. When we could,
we'd get together for group dinners or go drinking.
We all really enjoyed each other's company. Simon and
Danny and I would have our Friday cigars every week.
We all had cameras and took goofy pictures of each other.
I'm telling you, I feel like I worked really hard on
this picture, and there were all the usual aggravations
and headaches, but it was balanced out by having a lot
of fun. I'll be missing that as I sit in the dungeon-like
editing room for the next several months.
NS:
Most of the story takes place in New York, yet you shot
most of the film in London. Why was that?
RW:
Simply because some of the financing came from U.K.
sources that necessitated their money be spent in the
U.K. It has to do with tax credit and boring stuff that
I don't pretend to understand.
NS:
Was that a challenge… having London double for New York?
RW:
The short answer is ''yes,'' but not hugely so. I mean,
much of the film takes place in bars, clubs, hotel rooms,
restaurants, offices, etc. So we'd scout interior locations
in London that could pass for New York. But you've got
to keep your eye on little things like electrical outlets
and light switches and exit signs. For the Sharp's magazine
office, we built a set on the floor of an actual office
building on the east end that was vacant. Our last two
weeks of production did take place in New York, so we
could get exteriors and locations that can't be faked
anywhere else. There's a shot of Simon walking down
Broadway in the heart of Times Square. You won't be
faking that in London.
I
must say, it was a pleasure shooting in London. I've
really enjoyed living here this year. I mean, I pass
by Buckingham Palace every day on my morning jog, which
is pretty cool. I also walk everywhere, which really
minimizes my stress level, as the traffic in L.A. has
become unbearable. I walk to the editing room in Soho
every day from my flat in Mayfair, and pick up groceries
on my way home. My wife and I iChat at night and we
get conjugal visits every two months. Frankly, the hardest
part about being away this long is that I miss my dog
and cats, whom I'm profoundly attached to. It's also
hard not seeing my mom for so long. Everything else
about living in London is great, except it's so bloody
expensive.
NS:
What was your confidence level going in? Did you find
any of this intimidating?
RW:
Not at all. It didn't feel like my first film, because
I've been directing narrative comedy for six years on
''Curb.'' I've always been confident that I know how
to make things funny. Also, I'd been living with this
script for more than a year before we started shooting,
so I had spent a lot of time thinking about it, and
felt I really knew the material. I still reflect back
on a few missed opportunities, but find me a director
who doesn't. My biggest concern was one of stamina –
getting up at 5:00AM every morning -- lots of six day-weeks,
fourteen-hour days -- without getting sick. I didn't
know how I'd hold up.
NS:
How did you do?
RW:
Surprisingly well. I felt the inevitable ''Week-Seven
Sore Throat'' coming on, but it passed through in a
couple of days. Every day, when that alarm went off,
I had two immediate thoughts… The first one was: ''I
can't possibly get out of bed today.'' But then that
was overtaken by the adrenaline rush as I remembered
what my job was. I was making my movie!
NS:
What were the similarities and the differences between
directing ''Curb'' and ''How to Lose Friends''?
RW:
The big similarity is the struggle just to make your
day -– get all your shots in, complete the scene without
going into overtime. It's so hard just to get the shots
that you must have, let alone squeeze in anything slightly
elaborate that takes time to set up and light properly.
Our budget wasn't tiny, but it also wasn't big enough
that we could just solve problems by throwing money
at them. So it took a bit of ingenuity to execute some
of the things I wanted to do with limited resources.
Fortunately, I had a great DP named Oliver Stapleton
who would calmly go about trying to give me any kind
of shot I asked for. But often time just runs out and
you have to eliminate shots from your wish list as the
day progresses. So that's the big similarity -- fighting
the clock.
The
big difference from ''Curb''? Well, it starts with having
a proper script instead of just a story outline, which,
as everyone knows by now, is all we have on ''Curb.''
So the directing, in a sense, is improvised, as well
as the acting. It sounds funny to say this, but I find
having a script to be a real convenience when shooting
a film. I can actually plan shots in advance and give
more thought to coverage and performance nuance.
In
fact, that's the other big difference from ''Curb,''
is getting to truly direct actors in the full sense.
On ''Curb,'' I only got to minimally impose myself on
performances, but with ''How to Lose,'' I was very hands-on
with the actors. There was also time to discuss actorly
things like back-story and motivation and character
-– a luxury I never had on ''Curb.'' We even got in
some rehearsal time, which was great.
I
find that with few exceptions, actors really want to
be directed. I might even dare say that applies more
to our better actors. If they trust the director and
feel he or she knows the material, then they want to
give you what you want. That was Simon's mantra on the
set when I'd ask for yet another take… ''I'm not happy
'til you're happy.'' Jeff Bridges, with all his experience,
was really hungry to hear what I wanted. Sometimes this
would lead into meaty discussions about the character,
which I found quite thrilling, actually.
Interestingly,
I directed an equity-waiver play in L.A. some years
ago and there were a few prima donnas I worked with
who would actually get offended by hearing notes and
suggestions. There were bizarre temper tantrums and
foot stomping. The floor seemed covered with eggshells.
Suffice it to say, the actors who behaved that way haven't
advanced their careers. But the most successful actors
I've worked with are the ones most eager for direction.
Hell, Robert
De Niro asked for line readings from me when he
narrated my Lenny
Bruce documentary!
The
more I was able to work with my actors to shape a performance
and tweak little nuances, the more I felt ''I'm in my
element. This is exactly what I should be doing for
a living.'' I really felt I was able to impose myself
on this film. Consequently, if the end product sucks,
and someone needs to be blamed, that would be me.
Click here for Part 2 - "Post Production."

The DVD release of How to Lose Friends & Alienate People is scheduled for March of 2009.
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